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8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Ass.Crack.Jack on Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:41 pm

Here are the stats from the Barbed Wire Betties vs. pTERRORdactyls.

A big thank you to Johnny for getting these done so quickly!

As always, if you have questions about the stats feel free to sound off here. Between Johnny and I, we should be able to get it answered!


https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1u8BLPjc_46bVc3SUtBTExac1U/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Camp on Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:03 pm

Help me understand, what is V.T.A.R?  For points for/against plus/minus I need help too...like it says pivot 23...so they or we scored 23 points while I was pivot?  and 35 points while I was jammer and 42 points while I was blocker?
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Post  Camp on Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:37 pm

Anyone?!?
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  nonny noisemaker on Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:43 pm

Johnny said he can explain it when he gets to his computer here shortly.
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Johnny Fun Police on Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:16 pm

Campiper, in the case of V.T.A.R., I'll admit that I have struggled to understand that particular portion of the stats for over two years.  It's just confusing to me.  I've even asked Ice to research it on the WFTDA website before and she found me some decent information.  I literally JUST googled it and zebrahuddle was the first website to come up.  Here is a quote directly from one of the members regarding V.T.A.R.

""Versus Team Average Rating"

The idea is that this score is normalized versus the team (though the method used to achieve this is not without some criticism).

Basically, you start with the number of points scored versus the number of points scored by the opponents when a given skater is on the track.

This is then divided by the number of jams the given skater is on the track to get the average +/- per jam.  If the skater's team wins (especially by a large margin) there is a good chance that all of these values will be positive for everybody on the team, but then it makes it hard to tell if skater A who gets +2 ppj is a strong player or not.

So the average ppj of all the skaters on the team is subtracted from that, so if the average is +3, skater A is then -1 (2 - 3 = -1), which indicates that they did not perform as well their teammates."


For the question about points for/against, it indicates how many points were scored when a particular skater was on the track for a jam.  If the number is positive, it generally would indicate that a skater's team scored more points than the opposing team scored WHILE THAT SKATER WAS ON THE TRACK.  For example, say that for you in particular, while you were on the track, your team scored 56 points and the other team scored 30.  You would have a positive number.  If the scores were switched, you would have a negative number.  The for/against stats count for both blockers and jammers.  If you were a jammer and you were the one scoring the 56 points, you'd still be positive and vice versa.  Basically, on really close games, many of the stats don't really mean much in terms of how badass a player or team is.  The numbers tend to grow larger as the point spread widens.  Like, if a team scored 300 to another team's 25, the team with 25 would have huge negative numbers and the team with 300 would be all positives.  I hope this helps, pretty lady.
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Johnny Fun Police on Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:19 pm

Also, I'd like to add that V.T.A.R. stats are apparently meant to compare teammates to one another. For/against stats are to compare separate teams.
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Camp on Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:49 pm

Excellent!  That was very helpful. My new personal goal is to better my #s per bout Smile


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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  Johnny Fun Police on Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:53 pm

I'm glad. I don't know everything about stats, but I will always try my best to explain them. When Ice logs in, she could read over my thing there and add her 43 cents.
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Re: 8/24/13 pTERRORdactyls vs Barbed Wire Betties

Post  IceHurt on Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:36 am

I think this is what I sent to Johnny a while ago.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ku4pphagm67c0HXbjX12eI90txjKRV5g4hThkhPVgw4/edit
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