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Post  DerbyHowser on Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:04 pm

The P&P Team has created a number of proposals for the draft for the team to review and vote on. Only one may be selected and rejecting all proposals is an option. Please use this thread for discussion of this proposal. Thanks!

- P&P channeled via Howser


All teams will have the values of their current rosters averaged using the training committees current scores to figure out who has the strongest roster. This will happen by finding the average of each team according to the ranks of their skaters. The base number that will be divided by, will be based on the team with the lowest amount of skaters. Team A has 8 skaters, B has 9 skaters and C has 10 skaters. Only the top 8 from each team would be figured in the team average. The lower the average, the better the team. The team with the highest average (worst team) would get 1st pick followed by the other 2 teams, depending on their average. After all teams have picked one, the teams are reaveraged to see who would get the next one or two picks. In terms of unranked skaters/ transfers, they will be ranked before the next draft, therefore that skaters teams average will reflect the way they played the previous season.

The teams would end balanced so once the total number of skaters divided by the number of teams is reached by any particular team in the draft they will not participate in the subsequent draft rounds.
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Post  Camp on Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:03 pm

Ok so in this case...Dactyls have 2 skaters that will be transfering thus not playing for the home season. A. will this count against our #s and B. One of our skaters is ranked 2 but transfering so would we have to count her? Also if we do have to count her this would give 2 teams the same average, so how would that work?
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Post  IceHurt on Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:42 pm

You should still have to count those skaters.
1. They havent left yet.
2. They did play as a part of your team. The previous seasons roster should determine the draft order. The team who skated best in the previous season (strongest team) should have last draft pick. That is how you could break a tie of average. Whoever won more games drafts last.

IMO This is the most fair method that does not include reordering the teams which I am not a fan of.
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Post  Camp on Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:25 pm

Hrmmm. In the past Dactyls have not gotten first pick, so I am not really concerned about that and really quite used to it...I suppose I just don't really see how it is fair to count a skater for this season if she is not going to be playing for us this season.
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Post  IceHurt on Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:18 pm

Because it goes by the previous season not by current season. What happens if these skaters end up not transfering? Your team would be stronger. Anything could happen between now and the first home team bout. When/ if they leave it would affect your draft position for the following season. You have to have a cut off at somepoint.
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Post  JMFK on Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:32 pm

So #s don't even matter? I'm sure everyone will be shitty about this (I've already heard arguments), but seriously, Betties have 6 (SIX) skaters total. No matter how strong our six players are as a core, we need people more than any other home team. I think we should have the first pick, uncontested. And maybe the second as well Wink
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Post  Camp on Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:20 pm

Well I def don't think it's ok to just give the first pick to the smallest team. Especially not the first 2 sorry. Also after we lose Sunny and Wrecks the Dactyls have 7 skaters.

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Post  IceHurt on Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:31 am

DerbyHowser wrote:
The teams would end balanced so once the total number of skaters divided by the number of teams is reached by any particular team in the draft they will not participate in the subsequent draft rounds.

Numbers do matter! Since the Alpha Betties have only 6, the other teams would have to average our top 6 skaters while you average in all 6 of your skaters. This would make our team appear stronger than it may actually be. That takes into account for us having more skaters than you. As you add skaters they get averaged in as well while we still keep averaging only our top ranked skaters.

Camp, since you don't have a 'rank' number your team would get somewhat of a 'freebee' because you are a strong skater and your number won't be averaged in.

I also do not agree with the Alpha Betties having the first 2 draft picks especially since even though you only have 6 skaters, you have 6 very strong skaters who all rank high.

If you read the last line of the proposal, once your team hits the cap for skaters you are not participating in any more rounds. So lets say we cap the teams at 16 skaters. The Cupquakes, starting with 11 skaters would only participate in 5 rounds of the draft and then we are out. This is something we didn't do last time I drafted and I think its an important addition to the process which will really help out team teams with low numbers.
Numbers mean a lot.

I would like to see an addition that once everyone reaches the cap, we open up the last round to all teams for any nonchoosen skaters to be drafted. That way, once all teams are full if there is anyone left that we might want we can pick them up.

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Post  Camp on Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:46 am

I like this option the best. We actually do have a cap of 18, it's just that no one has ever gotten there. I think Dactyls had the most at 17 once.
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Post  Ross Leuck on Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:19 am

Camp wrote:Well I def don't think it's ok to just give the first pick to the smallest team. Especially not the first 2 sorry. Also after we lose Sunny and Wrecks the Dactyls have 7 skaters.


I don't believe Dactyls get a first round pick in the next draft regardless if I remember correctly. That could have changed, but my understanding was the team agreed to that.
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Post  Camp on Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:31 am

Yes but counting Wrecks will still effect us in the next round and so on.
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Post  Lynncredible She-Hulk on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:10 am

I think this option is the most balanced without shuffling everyone around.


Also, The way I read this is the cap is calculated each draft based on total number of eligible skaters divided by number of teams.

So, if quakes have 11, Bettie's have 6, dactyls have 7, and then there are 15 draftable skaters...that's 39 divided by 3 teams = cap of 13 for this round.
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Post  IceHurt on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:24 am

I think its total sksters including the draftees divided by 3. Giving a place to everyone. That being said, not everyone has to be drafted.
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Post  Ginger Spite on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:56 am

Thank you so much P&P for all your hard work! All of these proposals bring up some very interesting points about how we want our home teams to operate. I think we as a league need to remember that sometimes things need to get uncomfortable and we need to discuss things, so things can get better. I think all of us want a Draft Process that is fair and competitive home teams!

This policy is my favorite of the ones I read. I do have a few questions though:
1) What numbers are we going to use to calculate the team's average? The skater's rank number or their total score from the draft?

2) How is the average recalculating going to work exactly? Each team is already including their highest ranked skaters in the initial calculation, but not everyone. After the first round are we going to calculate everyone for the average? Are we just going to add the new skater to the initial number?

3) If the skaters that were not going to skate for the next Home Team Season stepped down from their teams before the draft, how would that effect the Team Average and the Team Total number of skaters?

4) What about inactive skaters (such as those on leave or those who cannot bout yet), are they counted towards the team's total number of skaters?

Thanks again! I, for one, am getting really excited about drafting our newer girls to teams! We have so many awesome girls to choose from!
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Post  DerbyHowser on Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:43 pm

Ginger Spite wrote:Thank you so much P&P for all your hard work! All of these proposals bring up some very interesting points about how we want our home teams to operate. I think we as a league need to remember that sometimes things need to get uncomfortable and we need to discuss things, so things can get better. I think all of us want a Draft Process that is fair and competitive home teams!

Just to point this out.

There's Fair in terms of process and fair in terms of outcome. This is a fair process. There's no reshuffling and since most skaters in the draft pool are going to be new lower ranked, the #1 team going in will come out the #1 team at the end of the draft regardless of picks.
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Post  Silent Assassin on Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:58 pm

I just saw all the responses. In terms of capping teams, lynne is correct. Averages are being done by each skaters rank. But it is up to TC to decide how often they will test and rank people. If they do it once a year, a transfer or unranked skater would fall to the bottom. Until she is tested and ranked. Ranking happens before drafts therefore that skaters new team average would reflect the way they played the previous season. If TC is willing to test and rank at will, then that unranked skater will have a ranking and that will be figured into her teams average. After every team chooses a skater the 1st round, the top 7 are then averaged to see who picks next. Then that team picks, average again. N that's why there is a cap so one team doesnt have way more skaters than another.
Ice i agree we could put that after every team has picked n if there are a couple skaters still not drafted, they can be open to any team. If done this way, quakes would get 1st pick, then dactyls then betties. even though quakes have a higher number of skaters, their average is higher. Betties have no skaters that arent all star levelgiving them a low average. Ranks are on the forum if you want to feel free to play with numbers Smile
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Post  DerbyHowser on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:13 pm

I created a Mock Draft in Excel to show how it would go with the assumption that a team will take the lowest possible ranked skater available to them at the time.
The highest value at the end of the prior round on the table to the right indicates who should pick first in the following round.

There's a lot of logic going on in the spreadsheet but if you want to play with it, you can change the Home Team assignments and draft round numbers safely, everything else will update around them. Then right click the results table on the lower right and select 'refresh' from the context menu to update it.

Mock Draft Excel File
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Post  nonny noisemaker on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:46 am

Thank you P &P for all your hard work and for everyone participating in discussion and creation of this policy. Teamwork!
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Post  Camp on Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:42 am

DerbyHowser wrote:
Mock Draft Excel File

Thank you for the break down!!!
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Post  DerbyHowser on Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:35 pm

Using individual rankings makes the logic ridiculously complex and we should get rid of the draft component to maintain fairness. You can just use the algorithm to make the assignments. The whole point of a draft is to pick well and gain competitive advantage over the other teams.
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Post  Shawna Wilcox on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:20 pm

You put me out of order...Cuffs and Snotface both outrank me tongue
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Post  DerbyHowser on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:31 pm

Shawna Wilcox wrote:You put me out of order...Cuffs and Snotface both outrank me tongue
It's in order. League ranking is on he left,draft team ranking is on the right to determine if the skater should be counted for the top number average ranking for the next round. Smile
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Post  Shawna Wilcox on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:32 pm

Also, as I'm reading through, I have to agree with Camp that T wreck’s ranking will affect the Dactyls unfavorably and unfairly. While coming up with ideas we were hesitant to base the draft order on previous season performance because the home teams often skate short or with fosters and the game results cannot be taken as a completely accurate measure for teams. So if a skater is sure they will not be skating for an entire season I think she should be allowed the option to step down from her home team, if she should choose to do so. It should be between her and her team. We want a process that is as fair as possible that we can leave in place for many years, so be careful in choosing an option that serves you now as things change quickly with injuries and skater turnover.
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Post  DerbyHowser on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:36 pm

Trex was not included in my calculations, neither was Sunny. If you open the file in Excel and change the 'include' value from an N to a Y, you'll see the effects of including them.
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Post  Shawna Wilcox on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:22 pm

Aha! Alphabetical reshuffle...it all makes sense now. So as it stands with this method Quakes would have first pick in the first round and second pick in two more rounds before dropping out of the draft and Betties getting last pick every round. In my opinion this method is not very well suited for the long term. It divides the draftees somewhat evenly but doesn’t really create balanced teams if that’s the goal. Quakes already have the advantage of a large team of vets who have already played together and the other two teams will be dividing up mostly meat :/ Just throwing that out there for your consideration…also I’m wondering how the draftees feel about any of these options. Ladies? None of these options are set in stone and we could use all the feedback we can get to represent everyone involved.
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